Não Diga Não (2021)

Wow.

Sorry for the short headline, I didn't know what to put so I chose that. Anyway, I enjoyed this series. A lot, actually. At first I was nervous because I'd read some reviews that left me concerned but I watched it and was surprised at how good it was. This being a non engineering focused college series was really refreshing. Seriously. I know their are a few non engineer based college thai bl's but they are few and far between. There need to be more. That aside, I really liked this show. I have not(and probably never will) watched Tharntype s1 or 2 so I wasn't familiar with any of the characters in this but that didn't matter really. I enjoyed it just fine with the basic knowledge of Fiat being the villain in Tharntype s2. Speaking of villains, King is a piece of human garbage and should be in jail for the things he did to Fiat. I hate him so much. The girl counterpart sucked too but I forgot her name and she wasn't quite as bad as King. She was garbage but not on his level. As for the couples, I love Leo and Fiat a lot. They were so sweet and supportive, I loved it. I didn't like the fight/breakup because it made no sense with their characters but I can ignore it. I saw someone critique First's acting and I don't get it. I thought he was pretty good. But main couple aside, Leon and Pob were great. I love how respectful and kind Leon is to Pob. He waits for Pob to be ready and even then, he isn't a lustful or pushy guy after the fact. Their ending made me so sad and I wish I could watch the special episode. Side note, Pob's cat dying made me tear up.
Overall, I recommend you watch it but if you are not a fan of s*x scenes, this has quite a few so beware. They aren't gratuitous or anything but they are pretty spicy. Anyway, please watch this show. It is really good.

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started and ended pretty bad but everything in the middle...

i'm pretty new to bl and this was my first thai drama. i had no idea this was a sequel to a different series until i read some of the reviews - but i honestly didnt ever feel too lost without it.

PRODUCTION:
there is a lot you have to get used to - i felt like some scenes/shots carried on for too long trying to really make the hour mark for every episode. i feel like you could easily cut it into 45 minutes. this definitely hinders the rewatch ablity for me.

also the audio quality definitely shifts around a lot and sometimes you can tell how limited the soundtrack is. sometimes one second a light hearted song is playing then all the sudden it shifts to a sad one and then goes back and forth throughout the whole scene and it can be distracting. also the overuse of sound effects while they were endearing at sometimes just needed to toned down a bit. but the cinematography sometimes was really beautiful.

STORY/WRITING:
the story started off kinda slow - but after the first two episodes you get kinda used to the editing and you understand more of whats going on. this part is probably where the knowledge of the prequel series would've come in handy for sure. because there are sometimes references to things they dont explain very well... and i was seriously confused how the 2nd episode just starts with them moving in together the cut from the 1st to the 2nd episode just really threw me off.

however once you get pass that i found the story arcs really delightful. i'm a sucker for established relationships and fiat and leo figuring out their relationship was such a nice thing to see - also just the outright acceptence from everyone around them (for the most part - but that doesn't come from a homophobic lense).

like i said earlier - i did understand the context without seeing the prequel. and i felt like they explained the past really well. and how their past affects their actions now. it was very calculated and didnt even use flashbacks that much which i appericated.

when it comes to the ending the miscommunication troupe is not done well. they try to subvert it a little but in the end i felt like they wanted fiat and leo to have this big struggle at the end with their relationship - and to come out stronger in the end. i feel like they could've done it in a better way than this. also i did feel pretty uncomfortable with their makeup speech maybe it was a translation issue and i can see what they were trying to say with leo's issues and fiat's trauma but the way it went about it felt a little toxic when up till this point they were anything but that.

thats why i say the beginning and end were a little rough but everythinng in the middle is really great.

CHARACTERS / ACTING:
i was mixed about fiat's (chalongrat novsamrong) performance in the beginning - and in some minor parts - but overall for playing a really emotionally driven character i think he did really well. i think i am not used to crying being so authentic in tv so it kinda threw me off. i also really related to fiat in ways with mental health and self worth. i know that some people have some issues about the way mental health was handled in this series but i really felt like it was done well in terms of fiat's character and growth.

leo (phachara suansri) was probably the best actor in the series. for a melo character i didnt feel like he wasnt ever emotionless and you could really tell how sincere he was. i honestly kinda wish he had more development then he did but overall i think the stuff we got with him struggling to take care of fiat and dealing with their past.

the two of them together was honestly the best part of the series. their chemistry was truly amazing even in just casual intimacy it all felt so natural. the way just even that leo would look at fiat spoke a ton - i think since it is a buildup and the two have already worked together on the prequel. they really understood their characters and their relationship. their relationship and commitment made this series work.

the side couple leon (smart chisanupong paungmanee) and pob (james pongsapak rachaporn) were good too. however... smart's acting definitely needed some work. i heard someone say something to the effect of "he acts with his jaw" and i think thats pretty much what it was. i feel like he was fine on his own but whenever leon was with other characters i felt like you could really see the difference. esp since james' acting in comparison was really well done. while leon's shift in character kinda came out of nowhere pob's felt more grounded. but the ending just came out of nowhere - it felt kinda out of place.

the rest of the cast was funny and charming with varying levels of acting. i esp liked the wlw couple as minor as they were and the twins. the actress who did fiat's mom was really good (i cant find her name).

overall i really enjoyed this series - i feel like because of the amount of time you spend with the characters (12 hours) compared to over bl you really get an attachment to the characters and their stories. i plan to find more work from a lot of these actors but i dont think ill be picking up the prequel series - not that i dont think it'll be bad i just dont think i need to. and itll be pretty hard for me to watch leo and fiat not be together haha.

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Please Stop Yelling At Fiat

Okay so I have a lot of opinions, let me preface this by saying I have not watched TharnType2 (just not interested) and mostly watched this because it was available on Viki and I liked the actors.

The Good:
✅ Good chemistry with both couples
✅ Solid acting
✅ Decent production
✅ Some enjoyable characters

The Bad:
❌Voyeuristic trauma that's poorly resolved
❌ Somewhat thin and unbalanced plot
❌ Frustrating communication

With that said, overall this was fine, but I think with just a little better writing this could have been a much better show.

Regarding what I liked, the acting was solid from all the main cast (although a few moments felt a little over-acted or odd), the presentation was decent, and I liked the characters quite a bit. The supporting cast was fun and had some good moments, I always enjoy it when the characters have actual friends, although I would've liked to see them hang out and talk about anything that wasn't the relationships sometimes. The pacing was pretty solid, even if I didn't love every plot, they didn't get dragged out so long that I got mad.

The main characters have good chemistry and I easily believed that they actually liked each other. When Leo wasn't annoying me I thought he was really sweet, the birthday surprise was a nice touch. Though their relationship isn't perfect and has some slightly concerning undertones, they both seem comfortable and happy with each other and okay with each other's more difficult traits.
Also I loved Fiat and he can do no wrong in my eyes but we'll get to that.

My main plot issues were that sensitive subjects were not handled with appropriate care, and the whole show felt pretty lopsided. Fiat has some pretty distressing plots centering around abuse that has happened to him, and they were not handled well imo. While his family situation was presented as a very serious scenario, everyone got forgiven super quickly so that it could get wrapped up nicely and the actors didn't have to come back. I think things could have been left a little more ambiguous to allow for some more nuance. I'm still so mad at his dad lol, like, you could've protected him without being so awful that he thought you hated him for like 15 years, he should have apologized more. You could allow for some hope that they'll be able to have a positive relationship one day rather than everything being forgiven in an instant.

Speaking of people I'm mad at, Leo did frustrate me a lot. I liked him but he really suffered from perfect ML syndrome and it got grating, especially since he wasn't perfect and everyone acted like he was. He handled a number of serious situations very poorly and it was barely addressed. The whole series gives this impression that Fiat sucks and he needs to become a better person, and while he has made mistakes it really feels super one-sided. Even when he tries to be mature and reasonable he gets pretty much no credit. The scene after the bar made me so angry lmao, I can't believe they let Leo just get away with all of that after Fiat was trying so hard..... I think Fiat should've keyed someone's car but I'm clearly biased, sorry for liking men pretty men that cry a lot.
If the show had focused less on trauma-voyeurism and more on each character's personal issues I think I would have enjoyed it quite a bit more. Give Leo a plot where he's actually called out for being unreasonable or has something in his past he needs to deal with, have someone yell at him for once or let him face Any consequences ever damn......

Overall I'm not mad I watched the whole show, but I don't think I'd rewatch basically any of it. While there are some nice moments, they're too intertwined with a frustrating plot.

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Reseña sencilla

Esta serie la vd que cumple con todo lit hasta me hizo llorar, 10/10, la trama a mi parecer es muy buena, la pareja principal ufff todo de ellos es muy top, el papel de la mama de Leo y Leon me encanto, gracias a los coments supe que hay episodio especial que sucede 3 años después del final que nos da la serie, que si bien no agrega mucho nos explica por asi decirlo que fue de los personajes y en general yo lo vi pq queria saber que onda con la pareja secundaria (Leon y Pob) que al final de la serie pues no quedan juntos por que el tiempo no es el indicado para ellos y la vd tengo que decirles que el especial si es muy bonito, nomas nos muestran que aun Leon y Pob coinciden en los mismos lugares pero nunca llegan a hablar pero que en teoría si se van a encontrar (esto ultimo como que te lo dice el especial mas no pasa en este) en conclusión no le puedo pedir mas a esta serie quede satisfecho en casi todos los aspectos y si me refiero Leon y Pob:)

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For something so progressive, they lack something

*happy ending for one couple*

I started watching this last year, 2022 and put it on hold because of how weird the issues kept popping up that I felt always bad for Fiat. But finally, I finished it and it felt watching it better now than last year.

When this was released it became so known because it is almost the start of very hot and steamy NC scenes in BL industry. It's like Mame tested waters in Tharntype and this became it's progression. However, amidst its well known name for its NC scenes, JaFirst in this series is soooo lackluster in their NC. Maybe because I finished watching it after already watching the current latest BLs who are already so realistic in their love scenes, but I can really see how they peck kiss even in the most hottest moments and hide their face and lips away using camera angles. Most of the time it just looks like Ja is smelling First's neck.

Even though there are a lot of love scenes in this series, it just irks me how lackluster it was. The execution is most of the time really bad.

I know this is the first main couple series of JaFirst and they have come a long way now. I saw that their acting is ahead of its time then. Especially First. Ja on the other hand is sooo damn handsome. His character is written such a green light as well. Though a bit possessive, it works well with Fiat's personality.

Dont get me started with Aek. He is the best I tell you. Handsome, smart, and I love how cool he is in this series. I love his every scene. The twins are one of the best castings here and also An too. Sooo pretty.

LeonPob have such a good story and chemistry that all fans, including me, are still thirsty for Just Say Yes. It has been a long time and I hope Mame produces it already. LeonPob's kisses are 100 times better than LeoFiat's really.

For the story, I sorta liked all conflicts so far except the sleeping with the afro guy conflict. He looks weird to me. I guess they did great in casting someone creepy. Fiat's mom is also so damn scary. Instead of a restraining order, I just hoped Fiat's dad hleped her get therapy as soon as possible before. Same with Fiat. Not getting him a new mom.

Overall, you can see that this series is ahead of its time but also lacking in great execution.

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first in a long time

I love the chemistry between these two. 9.5 because Leon and his man need their own sequel. I cried twice, and this was the first drama I had watched in a really long time, so I was overwhelmed. But I loved the background characters and the main characters; they were all very likable. really great show. The acting was good because I really felt like hurting some characters and I was crying, so I got into it. I had to pause it to take deep breaths so I wouldn't throw my computer into rage. the rewatch is ten, because i have rewatched it already lol. This was a good one. The review is telling me to write more, so I am. great main friend group. They had me laughing the whole time. They are all nosey and fun, and I love that because I am too.

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I watched the first episode and wanted to drop it, because I paid attention to reviews and they were condradictional. Something told me to give it another chance, because the first episodes can be deceptive.
The most salient and really odious thing is gossip boys. Hell, I can’t stand them at all. It is not a plot hole, I just wonder if they are really like this. I am from the Caucasus and I am not really used to see boys spreading out rumors. Fiat and Leo don’t have personal space at all, everybody knows about their “bedroom issues”. Some people really exaggerated this and now it is about Leo, who can’t “get it up”. Outrageous.
Haha, and the fact that one of the friends of the main couple has to give them a condom or other sex toys as a hosewarming gift is hilarious. Sarawat and Tine received a bouquet of condoms after they moved in together. The whole second episode was made for Leo to doubt his abilities.
Sometimes I don’t really understand Fiat. Wasn’t there another way to spite Leo other than screwing around? Fiats father..I don’t get him. Wasn’t he thinking about repercussions when he “turned a blind eye” on Fiat when he was sleeping with just anyone? He should have stopped him for his dignity, not to give an earful to Fiat when its already too late (having said this, I don’t put the whole responsibility on his shoulders).

Uptade: I have just watched the 9th episode. I don’t get it why people give so much hate to this show…Maybe the plot has its fables but its still good…I think, that it would have been better if after watching the clip that Fiat’s friends made for him, his father appeared and told him he loved him himself. It would have been the best gift for his birthday. But it still was well-thought-out.

I am not a clairvoyant, but sometimes I think I can predict plot twists without any ‘’sixth sense’’. The same thing is happening again. Fiat caught Leo kissing with a girl, whose pirde was ferociously wounded when Fiat told her to “dream on”. I was wondering if something would happen to cause a dissension between Leo and Fiat. But this time Fiat decided to TRUST HIM. I’m flabbergasted! Finally someone is being reasonable. I thought that he would chase Leo away accusing him in cheating . I suddenly remembered Tharn who accused Type in cheating like “I saw you kiss him”. I wonder how he missed the part when Type pushed Fiat away. I really appreciate Fiat who understands that everything he saw could have been underhanded by someone. Fiat matured a lot whereas Leo is still easy to decieve. Fiat was trying to justify Leo, who saw him sleeping around for years, although they were not even dating. He didn’t know the truth and still, despite the pain, that was killing him from the inside, he trusted Leo. I absolutely love Fiat. Leo started getting on my nerves when he told Fiat that he didn’t want to see his face despite saying that he knew about the mind games King was trying to play. So didn't Fiat get hurt when he saw you kissing that bitch TWICE?! Btw, these two are too lucky to have their friends by their side! SHOUT OUT TO AEK AND THO!

Leon and Pob..That’s what happens when you meet the right person at the wrong time. But that’s what real love is. Sometimes we just have to let go and the reasoning is acceptable for me.
I liked the series even though I got bored sometimes. It is worth watching but I don’t think I will rewatch this.

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My comfort show (minor spoilers, more about characters than plot)

Ok, is this the best show I've ever watched? No. Are there some issues in it? Yes. Do I still rewatch it all the time? Yes!
What I appreciate about this drama is mainly 3 things, pacing, consent, and representation.

Pacing:
Honestly there isn't too much to say about it, but I love how they start off with already being in a relationship. It gives a nice spin on it rather than waiting 10 episodes for them to hold hands. It navigates through starting a relationship which I'll get into later but I love it!
Also the side characters relationships aren't super rushed (are they a little rushed? Yeah but its not unbearable)
Not to mention the side romances are really fricken cute.

Consent:
What this show does really well is especially with Leo and Fiat, is the consent and communication. Nothing is forced and they talk about so much with everything they do (not just including intimacy but their feelings and experiences.) I barely see any BL's nowadays where they genuinley make sure their partner is ok (this goes for the side characters as well.) I love especially early on in Leo and Fiat's relationship communicating their likes and dislikes and trying to be open with each other.
Seeing those scenes for the first time was the biggest green flag for me, it made the relationship more healthy and real in a sense by showing the expectations of what a "healthy" relationship should look like.
I've seen SO many problematic dramas and this just felt like a breath of fresh air.

Representation:
We got a FRICKEN OPENLY PAN CHARACTER AND DEMISEXUAL CHARACTER. Leon admits quickly that he doesn't care about gender when he dates and did date a women before Pob. Also Leo has said that he can't differentiate love from sex. Not to mention there is also a wlw relationship in there as well. Nothing makes me happier when there is more representation than just bi and gay.
It also shows that the creator actually researched and gave a crap about the community they were trying to represent rather than making a BL strictly cause of fan service and popularity.

I am aware that this isn't a drama for everyone and the plot at some points can be a little strange but I have really come to enjoy it and connected to the really down to earth characters.
Not to mention Leo's family is super sweet and I loved seeing the relationship with his mom and Fiat.
If you want a nice refresher from the more problematic/ stereotypical BL's out there I would highly recommend this.

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Side couple stole the show!

The side couple Leon and Pob stole the show for me lol! I absolutely loved them! Their love was so cute and fluffy, I found myself smiling and giggling every time they were on the screen. They are by far my favorite side BL couple and I've watched A LOT of BL's lol. Pob is so gosh darn adorable and Leon just can't get enough of him, its so cute! What really made me disappointed was their ending. I so badly wanted them to have an happy ending but no, Pob had to move across the darn country :(. I was soooo disappointed. They honestly deserved better. I also wish they had more screen time. It doesn't look like theres going to be a season 2 which sucks because I really want these two to get back together. But other than that I loved their chemistry and I enjoyed the show.
Oh and theres nothing wrong with the main couple, I liked their chemistry as well, very good acting! It's just that they weren’t really my cup of tea but thats just me. You should definitely check this BL out, its worth the watch.

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A series with needing tissues for their issues

Damn this series is problematic. I don't want to say it's painful to watch but uncomfortable. There were many things going around in the series like the problems encountered by the main leads: a mother---ker humiliating Fiat, a sudden appearance of an abusive mother of Fiat and conspiring ugly shits trying to break the main leads' relationship. Those problems went on after one another. I pity Fiat more here than I did in TharnType 2. This was just a horrible roller coaster for Fiat honestly.

The bed scenes (should I say because there's another steamy scene in the shower haha lol!). I like this drama beyond the flaws which are mostly the surrounding issues I said before. I love the gang of Leo and Fiat, especially my girl Anda who protected the main leads towards the end. You go girl!!! I really laughed a lot when they gave Fiat a vibrator hahaah and when Leo sees it he look at his thing. That was funny as hell!!! The friends surrounding Leo and Fiat are so thoughtful when helping them like tracking down rivals or enemies of the two and exposing the two conspiring idiots trying to break Leo and Fiat apart. I adore the twins, every time we got twins in the series I instantly fond of them like the twins from HIStory 3: Make Our Days Count. I love the side couple too, they are lovable.

With all of those redeeming things about this series, I don't think I will not mind Fiat's suffering because of the motherfckdsk out there like his mother. I am so so so uncomfortable when she showed up like there's something f---- wrong about her. I can sense it. I really hate the antagonistic assholes in this series they are the worst. They took a toll on Fiat's mental health when he remember the suffering from being a child into the stalking pervert basketball player, his daddy issues and his new wife and the haters trying to get in the way of Leo and Fiat.

BUT these problems surrounding the series did not reflect the reputation of the series itself. I think this is a great series because it is more realistic like the haters and the family issues everyone can relate about. I really commend the cast especially First deserving applause for being an amazing actor. I love this, this kinda reminds me of The Effect (mini series) which is also realistic in any sense. This series is not overly lovey dovey and I love how they presented the issues here, still kinda wished the issues with her mother must have been resolved in another way. Overall this series is good!!

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Rollercoaster of Emotions

This series did take me a little while to finish due "not available in your country" reason and it's cringes at some point.

Overall I actually like the drama. It has a complete set of drama, gaslighting, trauma, harassment, sadness and of course happiness. I like how they overcome each of the stages occurs and not taking and easy road to solve them. Mame and the team really take their time in the story to elaborate!

The character development was absolutely on point! Whether is LeoFiat or LeonPob. They are amazing at bringing their character alive. Not to mentioned I love love love LeoLeon's mother. She is the best! What's more, their friendship in the series is the sweetest; always have each other's back. Of course their silliness is hilarious.

This drama really is rollercoaster. One minute you're happy for them, loving them - one minute later, you're sad and/or annoyed. Excellent story I'd say.

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